{"id":39836,"date":"2021-03-04T07:55:10","date_gmt":"2021-03-04T07:55:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.threatshub.org\/blog\/would-you-let-users-vouch-for-unknown-softwares-safety-with-an-upvote-google-does\/"},"modified":"2021-03-04T07:55:10","modified_gmt":"2021-03-04T07:55:10","slug":"would-you-let-users-vouch-for-unknown-softwares-safety-with-an-upvote-google-does","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.threatshub.org\/blog\/would-you-let-users-vouch-for-unknown-softwares-safety-with-an-upvote-google-does\/","title":{"rendered":"Would you let users vouch for unknown software&#8217;s safety with an upvote? Google does"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span data-label=\"poll\">POLL<\/span> Google has revealed that its internal anti-malware tools include a \u201csocial voting\u201d scheme that lets staff vouch for code they want to install won\u2019t do any damage.<\/p>\n<p>The ad and search giant\u2019s rationale is that blocking all unknown software works but may limit productivity, while blocking only known unsafe software requires a lot of vetting.<\/p>\n<div aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"adun\" data-pos=\"top\" data-raptor=\"condor\" data-xsm=\",button,mpu,\" data-sm=\",button,mpu,\" data-md=\",button,banner_plus,mpu\"> <noscript> <a href=\"https:\/\/pubads.g.doubleclick.net\/gampad\/jump?co=1&amp;iu=\/6978\/reg_security\/front&amp;sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&amp;tile=2&amp;c=2YECayKgxFpzCYgLN3o-6cAAAAAY&amp;t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D2%26raptor%3Dcondor%26pos%3Dtop%26test%3D0\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"> <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/pubads.g.doubleclick.net\/gampad\/ad?co=1&amp;iu=\/6978\/reg_security\/front&amp;sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&amp;tile=2&amp;c=2YECayKgxFpzCYgLN3o-6cAAAAAY&amp;t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D2%26raptor%3Dcondor%26pos%3Dtop%26test%3D0\" alt> <\/a> <\/noscript> <\/div>\n<p>\u201cThe obvious difficulty is that the more freedom you want to allow over the software your workforce can install outside your pre-vetted software, the more unmanageable the policy becomes,\u201d <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/cloud.google.com\/blog\/topics\/developers-practitioners\/peer-reviewed-allow-and-deny-software-installation-decisions-enable-scalable-protection\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">wrote<\/a> Max Saltonstall, a developer advocate at Google Cloud.<\/p>\n<p>Google\u2019s answer is code called Upvote that it\u2019s just <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/github.com\/google\/upvote\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">posted to GitHub<\/a>.<\/p>\n<div aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"adun\" data-pos=\"mid\" data-raptor=\"eagle\" data-xsm=\",button,mpu_plusplus,\" data-sm=\",button,mpu_plusplus,\" data-md=\",button,mpu_plusplus,\"> <noscript> <a href=\"https:\/\/pubads.g.doubleclick.net\/gampad\/jump?co=1&amp;iu=\/6978\/reg_security\/front&amp;sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&amp;tile=3&amp;c=33YECayKgxFpzCYgLN3o-6cAAAAAY&amp;t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D3%26raptor%3Deagle%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"> <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/pubads.g.doubleclick.net\/gampad\/ad?co=1&amp;iu=\/6978\/reg_security\/front&amp;sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&amp;tile=3&amp;c=33YECayKgxFpzCYgLN3o-6cAAAAAY&amp;t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D3%26raptor%3Deagle%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0\" alt> <\/a> <\/noscript> <\/div>\n<p>\u201cUpvote consists of both a web-based frontend for user voting and a policy server that works with the Santa system for Mac OS and the Carbon Black Protection (formerly Bit9) system for Windows,\u201d Saltonstall wrote.<\/p>\n<div class=\"promo_article\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/regmedia.co.uk\/2017\/10\/05\/1st_contact_startrek.jpg?x=174&amp;y=115&amp;crop=1\" width=\"174\" height=\"115\" alt><\/p>\n<h2 title=\"New dump of tracing data and pair of papers reveal plenty about ad giant\u2019s internal operations\">Google reveals how its Borg clusters have evolved yet still only use about 60 percent of resources (Alibaba might do better)<\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theregister.com\/2020\/04\/29\/new_google_borg_data_revealed\/\"><span>READ MORE<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<p>\u201cWhen a user (a Mac user, in this example) tries to run an unknown binary Santa\u2014running in \u2019lockdown\u2019 mode, allowing only allowed software to run\u2014blocks the binary and Upvote allows the user to vote to allow it, surfacing a VirusTotal analysis so that they can make an informed decision.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIf others also vote to allow it and the total number of votes reaches a certain threshold, the voters\u2014and only these voters\u2014can then run the software.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThis threshold is the first of two thresholds\u2014a \u2018local\u2019 one and a \u2018global\u2019 one\u2014that Upvote enforces. Voting continues even after the local threshold has been reached and anyone else who wants to run the software will still need to vote to allow it before they can run it. The voting stops only when the higher global threshold is reached, and only then is the software allowed for all users. You set the levels for these thresholds.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Even a single downvote, however, disables voting \u201cuntil an admin reviews the binary and either unflags it or downvotes it further to deny it as malware.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Admins can also approve software in advance, so that users can run it without voting.<\/p>\n<p>Saltonstall admits that this approach is risky because users could be wrong in their assessment than code is not naughty.<\/p>\n<p>But he thinks the threshold scheme limits the impact of mistaken assessments. \u201cAny potential infection is restricted by default to the subset of computers whose users have voted,\u201d he wrote. \u201cThe fleet as a whole is protected until the global threshold\u2014which you\u2019d naturally want to set as a very high bar\u2014is reached.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Google is still working on Upvote and Santa for its own use but has created GitHub repos of both. Upvote\u2019s repo has not had much recent love. Santa\u2019s <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/github.com\/google\/santa\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">seen action<\/a> in February.<\/p>\n<p>Over to you now, dear reader. What do you think of Google\u2019s voting scheme? \u00ae<\/p>\n<div aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"adun\" data-pos=\"top\" data-raptor=\"falcon\" data-xsm=\",button,dbutton,mpu_plus,dmpu,\" data-sm=\",button,dbutton,mpu_plus,dmpu,\" data-md=\",button,dbutton,mpu_plus,dmpu,\"> <noscript> <a href=\"https:\/\/pubads.g.doubleclick.net\/gampad\/jump?co=1&amp;iu=\/6978\/reg_security\/front&amp;sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&amp;tile=4&amp;c=44YECayKgxFpzCYgLN3o-6cAAAAAY&amp;t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"> <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/pubads.g.doubleclick.net\/gampad\/ad?co=1&amp;iu=\/6978\/reg_security\/front&amp;sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&amp;tile=4&amp;c=44YECayKgxFpzCYgLN3o-6cAAAAAY&amp;t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D426raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0\" alt> <\/a> <\/noscript> <\/div>\n<p> <noscript readability=\"2\"> <\/p>\n<p><h3>JavaScript Disabled<\/h3>\n<p> Please Enable JavaScript to use this feature. <\/p>\n<p><\/noscript> READ MORE <a href=\"https:\/\/go.theregister.com\/feed\/www.theregister.com\/2021\/03\/04\/google_malware_upvote\/\">HERE<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>And so can you, because its vote-for-code tools are now on GitHub POLL\u00a0 Google has revealed that its internal anti-malware tools include a \u201csocial voting\u201d scheme that lets staff vouch for code they want to install won\u2019t do any damage.\u2026 READ MORE HERE&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"colormag_page_layout":"default_layout","footnotes":""},"categories":[63],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-39836","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-the-register"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Would you let users vouch for unknown software&#039;s safety with an upvote? 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