{"id":36533,"date":"2020-08-10T14:01:26","date_gmt":"2020-08-10T14:01:26","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.threatshub.org\/blog\/pen-test-partners-boeing-747s-receive-critical-software-updates-over-3-5-floppy-disks\/"},"modified":"2020-08-10T14:01:26","modified_gmt":"2020-08-10T14:01:26","slug":"pen-test-partners-boeing-747s-receive-critical-software-updates-over-3-5-floppy-disks","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.threatshub.org\/blog\/pen-test-partners-boeing-747s-receive-critical-software-updates-over-3-5-floppy-disks\/","title":{"rendered":"Pen Test Partners: Boeing 747s receive critical software updates over 3.5&#8243; floppy disks"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong class=\"trailer\">DEF CON<\/strong> Boeing 747-400s still use floppy disks for loading critical navigation databases, Pen Test Partners has revealed to the infosec community after poking about one of the recently abandoned aircraft.<\/p>\n<p>The eye-catching factoid emerged during a DEF CON video interview of PTP&#8217;s Alex Lomas, where the man himself gave a walkthrough of a 747-400, its avionics bay and the flight deck.<\/p>\n<p>Although airliners are not normally available to curious infosec researchers, a certain UK-based Big Airline&#8217;s <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theregister.com\/2020\/07\/17\/british_airways_747_axed\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">decision to scrap its B744 fleet<\/a> gave Pen Test Partners a unique opportunity to get aboard one and have a poke about before the scrap merchants set about their grim task.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Aircraft themselves are really expensive beasts, you know,&#8221; said Lomas as he filmed inside the big Boeing. &#8220;Even if you had all the will in the world, airlines and manufacturers won&#8217;t just let you pentest an aircraft because [they] don&#8217;t know what state you&#8217;re going to leave it in.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>While giving a tour of the aircraft on video (full embed below), Lomas pointed out the navigation database loader. To readers of a certain vintage it&#8217;ll look very familiar indeed.<\/p>\n<div class=\"CaptionedImage Center Border\" readability=\"8\"><a href=\"https:\/\/regmedia.co.uk\/2020\/08\/10\/b744navdatafloppydrive.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/regmedia.co.uk\/2020\/08\/10\/b744navdatafloppydrive.jpg?x=648&amp;y=324&amp;infer_y=1\" alt=\"Navigation data aboard Boeing 747-436 airliners is updated via a 3.5&quot; floppy drive. The aircraft were built in the late 1990s\" title=\"Navigation data aboard Boeing 747-436 airliners is updated via a 3.5&quot; floppy drive. The aircraft were built in the late 1990s\" height=\"324\" width=\"648\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"text_center\">Navigation data aboard Boeing 747-436 airliners is updated via a 3.5&#8243; floppy drive. The aircraft were built in the late 1990s<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>&#8220;This database has to be updated every 28 days, so you can see how much of a chore this has to be for an engineer to visit,&#8221; Lomas said, pointing out the floppy drive \u2013 which in normal operations is tucked away behind a locked panel.<\/p>\n<p> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=yq8wgJO-JXY\" data-media=\"x-videoplayer\">Youtube Video<\/a>\n<\/p>\n<p>A quick tour of the avionics bay, buried beneath the floor of the lower passenger deck, revealed a server-room-esque array of line replaceable units and cabling, prompting Lomas to bust lots of Hollywood-grade dreams by saying: &#8220;You can&#8217;t just clip into a pair of wires into the back of the aircraft and gain access to all of these.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>In a subsequent Q&amp;A for DEF CON&#8217;s virtual attendees (this year&#8217;s hacking conference was done remotely thanks to COVID-19), Pen Test Partners chief Ken Munro asked Lomas about points of interest to aviation infosec researchers. The latter then described various aviation-specific ARINC equipment and connectivity standards, including ARINC 664 (&#8220;&#8230;Ethernet with some extra quality-of-service layers on top to make sure flight-critical things can talk to each other&#8221;) <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theregister.com\/2020\/04\/02\/boeing_787_power_cycle_51_days_stale_data\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">as used in the Boeing 787<\/a> and the latest generation of airliners, ARINC 629 (&#8220;really only used in the [Boeing] 777&#8221;), and other potential areas of research interest including VxWorks&#8217; real-time OS, which is used in a number of airliners&#8217; internal networks.<\/p>\n<div class=\"promo_article\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/regmedia.co.uk\/2020\/07\/17\/baboeing747.jpg?x=174&amp;y=115&amp;crop=1\" width=\"174\" height=\"115\" alt=\"British Airways Boeing 747-400\"><\/p>\n<h2 title=\"COVID-19 downturn only hastened Boeing aircraft's inevitable demise\">From &#8216;Queen of the Skies&#8217; to Queen of the Scrapheap: British Airways chops 747 fleet as folk stay at home<\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theregister.com\/2020\/07\/17\/british_airways_747_axed\/\"><span>READ MORE<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<p>The key question everyone wants to know the answer to, though, is whether you can hack an airliner from the cheap seats, using the in-flight entertainment (IFE) as an attack vector. Lomas observed: &#8220;Where we&#8217;ve gone deliberately looking, we&#8217;ve not found, at this point, any two-way communication between passenger domain systems like the IFE and the control domain. There is the DMZ of the information services domain that sits between the two; to jump between two layers of segregation would be tricky in my view.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>That hasn&#8217;t stopped some people from trying, most notably an infosec researcher from a Scottish university who <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theregister.com\/2019\/03\/08\/thales_topseries_vuln\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">deployed a well-known pentesting technique against IFE equipment<\/a> at the start of a nine-hour transatlantic flight. Mercifully he only managed to KO his own screen.<\/p>\n<p>There is a long and storied history of otherwise obsolete technologies being retained in use because they&#8217;re built into something bigger and yet work well, not least aboard Royal Navy survey ship HMS <i>Enterprise<\/i>. Last seen in these hallowed pages a couple of years ago when the Navy invited your correspondent aboard the warship during a NATO exercise in Norway, <i>Enterprise<\/i>&#8216;s <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theregister.com\/2018\/11\/09\/royal_navy_old_os_at_sea\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">hotchpotch of Windows ME-based survey software<\/a> is now helping port authorities in Beirut assess the damage caused by the disastrous ammonium nitrate explosion <a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/world-middle-east-53720383\">earlier this month<\/a>. \u00ae<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"crosshead\"> <span>Bootnote<\/span><br \/>\n<\/h3>\n<p>Of potential interest to researchers who don&#8217;t have access to a spare 747 for a spot of pentesting is the new Microsoft Flight Simulator. 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