{"id":27918,"date":"2019-07-18T18:51:26","date_gmt":"2019-07-18T18:51:26","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/packetstormsecurity.com\/news\/view\/30323\/No-You-Dont-Need-A-Burner-Phone-At-A-Hacking-Conference.html"},"modified":"2019-07-18T18:51:26","modified_gmt":"2019-07-18T18:51:26","slug":"no-you-dont-need-a-burner-phone-at-a-hacking-conference","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.threatshub.org\/blog\/no-you-dont-need-a-burner-phone-at-a-hacking-conference\/","title":{"rendered":"No, You Don&#8217;t Need A Burner Phone At A Hacking Conference"},"content":{"rendered":"<div><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/video-images.vice.com\/articles\/5d30b36ce1db350008e7b7fd\/lede\/1563472761080-GettyImages-138739036.jpeg?crop=0.8823xw:0.8099xh;0.102xw,0.1029xh&amp;resize=1200:*\" class=\"ff-og-image-inserted\"><\/div>\n<p>It\u2019s almost August, which means it\u2019s almost time for the most anticipated (or dreaded, depending on your point of view) time of the year: hacker summer camp, the roughly week-long, back-to-back conferences Black Hat, BSides, and Def Con in Las Vegas, Nevada.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve been going to hacker summer camp for the last six years. I remember how worried I was the first time: are hackers going to read my emails? Are they going to infect my phone with spyware? Should I even bring a credit card? Part of Def Con\u2019s allure is this aura of danger, this idea that if you step into the filthy halls of the Las Vegas hotel it\u2019s hosted in, you better be prepared to get pwned.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m here today to tell you that this is all, frankly speaking, dumb.<\/p>\n<p>Yes, Def Con is full of hackers. Yes, sometimes they do shenanigans. And yes, hacker summer camp is teeming with hacking and surveillance devices, like <a href=\"https:\/\/www.vice.com\/en_us\/article\/pa39xv\/pineapple-wifi-how-to-mitm-hack\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Wi-Fi Pineapples<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.vice.com\/en_us\/article\/vv7zn9\/surprise-scans-suggest-hackers-put-imsi-catchers-all-over-defcon\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">IMSI catchers<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>But, in truth, only a fraction of the attendees at Def Con really need a burner phone\u2014one that they bring just to Def Con to protect their other devices with valuable data on.<\/p>\n<p>Modern smartphones such as the iPhone and Google Pixel phones have state of the art security. There\u2019s a reason exploits for these devices go for <a href=\"https:\/\/www.vice.com\/en_us\/article\/8xdayg\/iphone-zero-days-inside-azimuth-security\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">half a million<\/a> or <a href=\"https:\/\/www.vice.com\/en_us\/article\/pax987\/crowdfense-offers-3-million-for-iphone-android-hacks\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">sometimes even several million dollars<\/a>. People don&#8217;t pay that much money to hack every random person who goes to Def Con.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__blockquote\"><strong><em>Have a tip about a data breach or a security incident? You can contact Lorenzo Franceschi-Bicchierai securely on Signal at +1 917 257 1382, OTR chat at lorenzofb@jabber.ccc.de, or email lorenzofb@vice.com<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>If you work in the infosec industry and you really believe you need a burner phone for these conferences, you may need to do some soul searching. What\u2019s the point of having <a href=\"https:\/\/www.gartner.com\/en\/newsroom\/press-releases\/2018-08-15-gartner-forecasts-worldwide-information-security-spending-to-exceed-124-billion-in-2019\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">a $100 billion industry<\/a> if it can\u2019t secure phones in a place where a bunch of hackers gather?<\/p>\n<p>Also, as well-known hacker Space Rogue <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/spacerog\/status\/1151147493863972865\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">said<\/a>, the Def Con network is now one of the safest (and better monitored) in the whole world. That means it\u2019s harder to do mischievous stuff on it, and if you do, it\u2019s easier to get caught.<\/p>\n<p>As Marcus Hutchins, also known as MalwareTech, <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/MalwareTechBlog\/status\/1151242613569142784\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">wrote<\/a> on Twitter, \u201cDefcon burner devices are yet another example of how people in an industry that should be largely focused on threat modeling can&#8217;t come up with sane threat models.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>That is the point here. What is your threat model? Do you really need a burner for that? If you\u2019re going to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.vice.com\/en_us\/article\/7xgame\/at-chinese-border-tourists-forced-to-install-a-text-stealing-piece-of-malware\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">some parts of western China<\/a>, the answer is yes. Depending who you are, and if you\u2019re crossing certain borders (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.vice.com\/en_us\/article\/j5zny7\/haisam-elsharkawi-lawsuit-against-us-government-cbp-dhs-unlock-phone\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">even the US one<\/a>), the answer is probably yes.<\/p>\n<p>But a conference in Vegas? Perhaps you are part of the minority who needs a burner, but most likely you are not.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI always thought it was immature behavior from neophytes trying to scare even newer people with their secret knowledge,\u201d Jason Syversen, a long-time security researcher who used to work at DARPA, <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/JSyversen\/status\/1151869059002245120\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">tweeted<\/a>. \u201cThe comments on gatekeeping are good too, it\u2019s the opposite of welcoming people. And makes you look foolish.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Of course, not everyone agrees. Long-time security researcher Roel Schouwenberg said that there are legitimate threats at conferences like Black Hat and Def Con, and people who may be interesting to them should take precautions.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cHow do the different intel agencies that operate during the event figure out who is who?\u201d said Schouwenberg, who\u2019s the director of intelligence and research at the consulting firm Celsus Advisory Group. \u201cIt&#8217;s like airport security. Just because you know you have no bad intent doesn&#8217;t mean you don&#8217;t have to go through TSA.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>Subscribe to our new cybersecurity podcast,<\/em><\/strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/gb\/podcast\/cyber\/id1441708044?mt=2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><strong><em>CYBER<\/em><\/strong><\/a><strong><em>.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>READ MORE <a href=\"https:\/\/packetstormsecurity.com\/news\/view\/30323\/No-You-Dont-Need-A-Burner-Phone-At-A-Hacking-Conference.html\">HERE<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>READ MORE 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